Friday, August 22, 2008

TGIF

Markets

More wasted air time on Babblevision. The "face" is asking some fellow about the "fate" of FNMA and FreddieMac. What the hell does he know ? You ask, "OK, Bunkerman, what do you think ?"

First, I define a useful abbreviation - the "Two Fs" = FNMA plus FreddieMac.

Here is the answer: Nothing should happen until the actual losses arise on the actual mortgage loans on the books of the Two Fs really do reduce their equity to near zero. Treasury should quote J. P. Morgan that markets will fluctuate and no decision about taxpayer money for the Two Fs will be made due to market speculations in the price of their stock. Treasury should say it stands ready to support the debt and mortgage backed securities of the Two Fs. Any decision on the capitalization of the Two Fs will be made with real loss data. Then shut up.

Commodities

I see the blather about the end of the commodities is vaporizing. Copper is back at $3.50, right in the middle of its trading range for about a year or more, viz. $3 to $4. Oil is bouncing a bit. I still think it slowly goes to about $100 due to demand declines. Other metals prices popped up. I guess the world economic slowdown - it it exists - isn't a collapse.

Does anyone except me realize the difference between growth and demand ? If world GDP is stagnant, would not demand for commodities stay the same as before ? If the world produces the same amount of goods & services, would not it need the same amount of commodities to do that ? So growth means an increase in demand, barring substitutions. Demand is demand; growth is an increase in demand. They are NOT the same thing at all.

OK, these two concepts are not perfectly separate as some commodity demand is to build new capacity for the growth, not current consumption. But let's not fool ourselves - most commodity demand is for current uses, not to create growth.

So mirabile dictu, as the beefer speculators stop pushing the trend down, prices on many commodities stabilize. Golly, babblevision is so vacuous !

This reasoning is why I bought DVN, CVX, FCX and RIG on the recent big dips. These positions are doing very well lately, offsetting some weakness in the big fins.

Word of the Day

"Invidious" - adjective [$10]
Invidious means (of an action, conduct, attitude, etc.) likely to excite resentment or indignation against a person responsible, especially by real or seeming injustice- an invidious position; an invidious task.
Sentence: The invidious Russian activities in Georgia will be a long term sore, as they announced intent to permanently occupy checkpoints at key locations.

48 comments:

Bud said...

i thought the beefer speculators were pushing commodities up

pffffffffffffffffffft

Spin-em said...

apparently sir alan sugar would not like mern......

Bunkerman said...

uh ... Bud ... "were" is the operative verb.

They push them up, down and all around, when and as they act in a "herd" ... like animals.

;-)

Bunkerman said...

pensions always push up, by the way - they are different than "speculators".

Bunkerman said...

"The invidious speculation in commodities by beefers harms many common people."

Bunkerman said...

"The invidious and incessant buying of commodities by pension funds raises prices for all the common people."

Bud said...

Speculation by hedge funds in commodities is part of an efficient market and not invidious as some (one) commentator suggest.

Bunkerman said...

"The recent considerable controversey in the press proves that speculation in commodites by hedge funds is indeed invidious (cf. the defintion) and that a certain commentator is correct, as usual."

;-)

Frosty said...

8:04 AM More from Buffett: "Things will be better five years from now, but not five months from now."

Bud said...

american catholic church agreeing to more financial settlements for victims of abuse

that's good....and great news for frosty

i think bob was 12 or 13 when father o'malley put his hands on him

Bud said...

that was just filthy....nasty.....dirty.....that is not a laughing matter

but it wasn't meant to be funny..... when frosty reads it......i want him to be just sick and disgusted


'surrender'


lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

Frosty said...

'surrender'

sorry Mrs B...bud is a disgusting pig...you must understand I have crushed him bad this week, he's just lashing out as his material is no match.

I will call off the dogs, I hear ya' Mrs B, he's just embarrassing himself.

Frosty said...

"New kids on the block"...who...this must be the crew on the pole down at the biker bar...dunking dollars indeed, Bud digs a full thong...thanks jim.

Frosty said...

Bunky...bottom of the housing market may be near...FRE FNM your heros have that covered...should LEH a taken out above today's price, you just might have nailed it...trading around LEH today, just added more 15.08.

Bunkerman said...

well, the beefers can make Ms. Market dance to any tune they wish, short term.

I'd like to see a bit more data re housing before saying it's "proven". Good trends, though.

Bud said...

LEH????


i thought you only traded the QID......or is it SKF now??


'ops expo'

pffffffffffffffffffffffft

Frosty said...

LEH near calls trading over par up to 18...that will 6k...have a nice day.

Spin-em said...

Quint comin out of his shell "Jim"/Liz holdin him down....

Spin-em said...

speak when I say...Dont you know I have the largest TV in Fla???

Bud said...

'calls trading over par to 18'

huh??? ihave no idea what that means........and nor do the non-posters

do you just like to talk to hear yourself??


PS.....LEH was a pick in the pool yday....great trade indeed

'curtain call Bob'

Frosty said...

Bud...what are you talking about I don't understand...we should be playing for pennies instead of dollars...short the SKF here at 126.47, think you can cash at 126....pppffftt that one is free.

Spin-em said...

Nationwide Tour -7 Thurs @ Spinny @ Cobbro's home....pffftttt

Frosty said...

SKF 126 Bud...head to the window slugger.

Bunkerman said...

got one of my 1919s cleaned ... what a well built gun ! M60 is pos compared to it.

Frosty said...

wow, hitting the hooch a bit early are we...m-60 A4 no comparison...run krypto, daddy falls quick for a big man when he's drunk.

mark said...

nice blog Bunkerman


Bud you're killing me


who is Bob?

Bud said...

do you guys need guns to prove your manhood??

Bud said...

bob is father o'malley's favorite altar-boy

frosty you still have that skirt fahter used to make you wear?

"what a big girl"

Spin-em said...

the word is spreading...way to go azzrat...LOOOL

Bud said...

yup

that's my goal.......i wanna make the non-posters come out of the closet


frosty come out of the closet yet????

Spin-em said...

8 ounces of booze being shaken....dogs barkin in the background

Bunkerman said...

actually spin, I make 13 oz at once in my shaker. Usually that covers the whole weekend - 1 each Fri, Sat, Sun evenings.

I'm just reading that book mfl recommended - The Tycoons - very good.

Waiting for rust-proof on 1919 to dry.

Years of using 60 and 1919's side by side proves the 1919 is the one. But I suppose if I had to lug one in the boonies, I might have a different opinion.

Bunkerman said...

60 is way too fragile, though.

Frosty said...

uh Bunky...it is a machine gun not a club...that was last weeks lecture...gesh.

Bunkerman said...

thanks Mark ... clearly you are a perspicacious and perceptive reader ;-)

Bunkerman said...

well, per 10000 rounds, I get about triple the broken parts in the 60 vs. the 1919. And I do keep them clean and well maintained !

that 60m op rod tower is a contraption. And just had to replace a bolt plug that cracked.

Spin-em said...

Marko and Sammy pumpin MED to the tank?..lol

Spin-em said...

Bunk...I thought you said you have 2 on fri's??..Cant ya remember??.lol

Frosty said...

Bunky that sounds like heat stress...you running her dry at the range...don't spare the lube.

Bud can confirm, when taking the "rod tower"...even if at the biker bar, never ever run dry...yhoo hcp heads higher when golfing bull legged.

Bunkerman said...

I usually give the bolt a nice coat of oil before putting it in ...

maybe I should give it a squirt every time I use it.

;-)


I do keep the 1919 dripping with Mobil 1.

Bunkerman said...

I try to keep it to 1 a night, spin. I mix it all up on Friday and keep extra in the freezer for Sat & Sun ... but sometimes I like to have second.

Bunkerman said...

this talk is making me "thirsty" ...

Spin-em said...

lol...these pretzels are making me thirsty

Spin-em said...

go for 2 Bunk...Mrs B wavin you in..lol

maverick said...

just finished doing some bicep curls...now ready to lift my Bmantini...salute

Spin-em said...

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

well done mav,frost,bunk,mfl,mike....have a great weekend bunker boys.....that'll be 6k LMAOOOOOO

Spin-em said...

The blaster has left the building....

Frosty said...

have a good weekend men...you too Bud.