Friday, August 17, 2007

TGIF and More

Big reversal yesterday - the S&P closed green after touching 1370 intraday. Volume was very high. Trend reversals have often occurred with similar patterns in price and volume. The real buyers likely scooped up stock at the 10% correction level, and the virtual shorts covered when the selling momentum dried up.

So that's a new "Day 1" in a prospective rally count. We need a big up day after Day 4 on higher volume to confirm the rally.

BAC is setting up a small H&S bottom pattern - needs a couple closes over 50.2. C and JPM bounced strongly, as did MS. Afterhours, HPQ had strong earnings and raised guidance.

In yesterday's comments, I mentioned a small silver buy and a CSCO add.

I didn't pull the trigger on buy#2 per yesterday's "time diversification" posting since the market was recovering and I figured I wouldn't get a price close to S&P 1370 at the close. That proved correct. So I'm still waiting.

Japan markets were crushed overnight - probably beefers reacting to the yen craziness, or locals getting margin calls.

PS: Fed cuts discount rate 50 bps to permit funding of ANY mortgage collateral. Very early pre-market reversed huge from down big in early futs to up huge. Beefer shorts are being grilled.

PPS: I might pull the trigger on my buy #2 on any day with a dip, since the Fed seems friendlier now and not "completely" wrong-headed. Yes, I let policy changes & long-term thinking affect my tactics, as any long term investor should.

98 comments:

Bud said...

What the hell are you talkin about B'man? 'real buyers scooped up'...? Huh? That sure felt like an elephant stampede as you like to say. Wow...these real buyers are so smart. They knew market was gonna correct exact 10% . Sheesh.
Here' the truth. The market doesn't care. Long only buyers - real, fake, virtual, or whatever -have gotten annilitated last 4 weeks. These so called 'real buyers' ...are they same ones that been telling me last 30 days every day is a buying opportunity? Cuz if they have been doin as they say.....they been averaging down and are gettin crushed.

Bud said...

Anecdotaly.........many traders i personally know or work with ........bought stocks aggressively midday yesterday. Believe me, these aren't the so called 'real buyers' that Bman likes to talk about.

Bud said...

Of course I did many trades myself yesterday. And i dumped alot of stocks at the close - i am being very very cautious with overnite long exposure these days . In fact been basically 60-80% short and the rest cash for weeks now.
Bman doesn't like my 'type' of traders. He thinks we should all buy and hold. Luckily he doesn't get to make the rules. This is america.

Bud said...

Bman you get the military channel? I was watchin a show on WW1. Interesting. I'm sure you would like that channel.

Bud said...

Mike mussina got tattooed last night. Sweet. Sox extend lead 1/2 game without even playing.

die yankees die !!!!!!!

Bud said...

Yesterday i think was also my highest trading volume for the year. Played alot of ping pong. Outrageous!!! Guys like me should not be allowed in the equity markets!!!

Lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Bud said...

Looks like the Duke brothers not the only ones who got margin calls. I'm hearing thru the grapevine of some guys i used to work in big trouble.

Bunkerman said...

Don't you know how to read a daily chart yet, Bud? It's obvious that real buyers pulled bids, then put then in at about 5% down and 10% down. They didn't "know" the market was goin that low, that's where they "chose" to bid as it dropped. If the market hadn't gotten that low and started rising, they would have had to chase.

Sheesh.

Bunkerman said...

Asset allocators like me, if they were more nimble, were doing it yesterday.

Maybe I'll get some on a re-test.

Bunkerman said...

I have many tapes of WW I - they are great; might be same as what you are watching.

Yes, I get the military channel. I need a digital Tivo to tape those - gotta get one soon.

Bud said...

Wow. Just noticed yesterdays massive volume in BAC.

Bunkerman said...

One thing about being an investment banker for years is that I had to deal directly with real buyers - people at big institutions that bought the paper and didn't trade it much. So I learned how they think and what they do.

I had to negotiate with them, too, on terms, so I know those can be very important at time - deal breakers. And I had to explain things to them all the time.

Hmmm ... and dealing with big traders on the desks - golly, they always wanted to know WHO was buying & selling - a beefers or a "real buyer"

Bud said...

I am sure about that Bman. But you are forgetting one thing. There has been an explosion in hedge funds last few years. SAC capital is a beefer according to you. They have a phenomenal record this decade. I am sure these 'so called' real buyers would luv to have SAC's record. I am also sure that they would prolly buy if stevie cohen thought it was gud enuff for his clients.

Bud said...

SAC charges i believe 50% performance fees ( + mgmt fee). But he won't take any new monies. Guys breakin down his door to get in. He really must suck.

Bunkerman said...

re Cohen, I'm sure that GS and others try to frontrun him if they can figure out what he's dong ;-))

And if he's selling they mark him down.

Bunkerman said...

Gosh, out of 7,000 beefers, a few [5? 10?] would be great over time just from the numbers trying.

That's part of the beefer scam/delusion that sucks in the dumb rich to those other 6,995 beefers

Bunkerman said...

lolol hmmmm the trader on Babblevision blaming the .. uptick rule. He seemed to know that he's talking about - that it scares buyers.

Bunkerman right again!!!

Bud said...

beefer scam/delusion


lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Bud said...

It may scare buyers.......no argument there. But....don't be such pussies. If you think the stock is cheap fundamentally...buy it. How come there is no tick rules for shorts? Don't shorts get scared? Gimme a f'ng break.
One thing these last 4 weeks has taught me. Bears were crying alot when the market was goin to highs. But these bulss are bigger cry babies. Plus they want government and regulatory intervention to help them. I say fuck'em. Let the free market decide who wins and who loses.


mommy mommy!!...bring back the uptick rule!!! the shorts are knocking my stox down!!!

roflmao

Spin-em said...

Bolling sold his FXY.....

Bunkerman said...

uh ... I (for one perhaps) was ranting about the uptick rule and beefers and trading funds and derivatives and programs trades WHILE my stocks were going up!

I knew from experience what could happen when the pendulum went the other way. Ilived through the crash in 1987 and the wild swings in the debt markets in 1990-91.

Bud said...

Spin ....do you only look for 'gap fill' trades?


Lolololol

Spin-em said...

Bolling pumps XLF

Spin-em said...

This has been the Bolling report

Bud said...

Lol spin.


Discount rate cut........satisfied now Bman?

Spin-em said...

enjoy Frosty

Spin-em said...

IWM daily trendline going back to 04 holds......good news for tankers

Spin-em said...

Punish the shorts Ben.....

Bunkerman said...

sigh ... bunkerman right again.

Fed cuts discount rate. They should have cut last Tuesday. Ben is no god, but seems able to learn from his errors.

mfl59 said...

real buyers are rewarded again!!!

Bunkerman said...

Not satified. They should cut overnight rate to 4.5% to 4.% (+200-250 over core PCE yoy inflation of 1.9%) AND keep discount ratre at overnight rate + .25%.

But it's a start.

Bud said...

Lmaoooo...real buyers

Spin-em said...

Kudlow will have a red,white,and blue Yankee Doodle outfit on tonight...including top hat

Bud said...

I guess Ben was actually workin at his nantucket vacation home. Come on Bman......you shud be happy today.

Bunkerman said...

That was a good call/analysis from Kudlow. Even I will concede that.

Bunkerman said...

happier, but not "happy" - not until they do what I say and think, Bud.

Bud said...

Trading curbs? what for? who are they protecting now Bman?


wake up frsoty!!!!

Bunkerman said...

lolol curbs in. Why are there curbs on the upside???

lololol ;-)))))))))))))

Frosty said...

trading curbs not helping the real buyers...last time we hit them on the upside we were down for days, broke support and alomost lost the tape for good.

Bud said...

Good job on CSCO frsoty. I kicked mine out the close yday. Virtual indeed.


lmaoooooooooooooo

Frosty said...

CSCO....I had a little trouble sleeping last night...haven't made a trade in that size all year...sold a little this morning so I could exhale...Spinny my insperation, he is a rock under fire.

Bunkerman said...

thanks for mentioning CSCO - I got a fine add on that long term position thanks to the mention.

mfl59 said...

Ben just went birdie-eagle-par-par to start his mornign round....

Bud said...

Already sold some CSCO frsoty? You'll never become a 'real buyer' with such a quick trigger.


lmaoooooooooo

Bud said...

Lol mfl.....market better turn else the cry babies will be waiting for him at the turn.....cut more!!!!

Frosty said...

curbs...I could just scream...Bunkerman how do you feel about the use of colorful language in your blog?

Bunkerman said...

Why should today's real buyers barge in & buy whle the panicked bears are covering? They should be smart & wait for a dip. The Fed policy has come towards reality. There will be plenty of good entries for the next big move up.

Bunkerman said...

In limited amounts in appropriate situations, I don't mind "colorful" language - good Anglo-Saxon words.

Bud said...

Spin....is the S and p gonna fill the gap today? He is my 'fill the gap' specialist.

Bunkerman said...

I'll stick to phooey, golly, gosh, etc. myself. I'm trying to curse less. But when the stress is up bigtime, I'm one of the best.

Frosty said...

EBAY 33.63...won't fall behind.

Bud said...

I try to behave here myself..........i know i use the F word sometimes. But when i talk about the KKK....uh ....i mean GOP ....hard to control myself.

Bud said...

Is EBAY darkside? sheeesh...thanks for being so clear

mfl59 said...

real sellers seem to be in control

Frosty said...

sorry Bud, it was a buy....ops expo pressure not going away...my thought is we get some put buyer hang over next week an some lift...testing the 50 sma in the index from below seems reasonable.

Bud said...

lmaoooooooooooooo real sellers

Bunkerman said...

I think it's not real sellers, just the real buyers kept their bids low. Shorts covering cause the rip up early.

Frosty said...

DEAN anyone getting long? hearing could be cat 5 by the weekend....UNG NGAS FUEL GMXR the plays Bud? where is the list?

Frosty said...

Bunkerman...you forgot to note those firken' trading curbs stopped your bull team from steam rolling the bears.

Spin-em said...

"fed cut pre market to get the biggest bang for their buck"..Santelli......Bub..pffttt

Frosty said...

ELON 22.51 add...buying Bud....not going short....strikes in play 22.50-25.00...should have a shot at 25 next week. over 25.80 could test 28....unless the trading curbs killed the bull move.

Bud said...

Rofl frsoty...those darn trading curbs!!

PS.. bring back the uptick rule!

lmaooooooooo

Bud said...

Wow Bman. You sre so smart when it comes to trading. Please let me know if you do a seminar or class. I wud luv to attend. 'real buyers kept their bids low'............pfffffffft


PS.....and if the market goes up....Bman says it real buyers scooping it up....wow ....real buyers are geniuses

Bunkerman said...

uh .. Bud ... real buyers aren't "trading" so don't have "trading seminars".

All they want to do is buy up cheap stock to hold awhile. Notice the word, "cheap".

Bud said...

Sheeeesh.........jeff macke sayin Fed 'intentionally' cut today to 'punish the shorts'. Macke and Spin both sayin that. Now i know it's nonsense.

Frosty said...

Spinny...you want to bitch slap him or will you allow me?

Bud said...

'Spinny'....that sounds like a girls name.

Bunkerman said...

I think they might have gotten calls from big banks for help in funding asset-backed commercial paper. That was a problem the last day or two and the other liquidity they wer probviding was not going to help there.

It's just the nature of Fed action to hurt the shorts - I doubt if Fed type even' know much about that.

Bud said...

It took 6 1/2 hours today...but finally a post from Bman i agree with.

Frosty said...

Bub to bad you didn't agree with Spinny, you wouldn't be as nasty today if you had. hanging curve off the wall...he slides under the tag...three bagger.

Bunkerman said...

WSJ says Euro-banks can't sell all Euro CP coming due - not even close. That's a problem over there. ECB is going to have to keep adding liquidity becuase the CP probably has backup bank lines of credit.

Bunkerman said...

Uh Frosty, I hope you went home flat in BAC ;-)

Spin-em said...

Buds such a pussy

never would say it in person.

cuz if he said it..

and I had him in my sight...

BOOM...BOOM

(everybody!!!)

OUT GO THE LIGHTS!!!!

lmaoooooooo

Frosty said...

Bunkerman...no BAC short...I just wanted a rally rant out of you and some support to the bull case...was looking to get a rise out of you for some luck...I had no hedges left and was so long I was ready to hit the keg in the middle of the trading day.

mfl59 said...

Princeton still ranks ahead of Harvard for the #1 college nationally...Harvard...pfttt

Bud said...

Sorry for bein nasty today frosty. But Bman irritated me early with his ridiculous garbage .....and the Klan about to castrate Vick any moment. So i have been provoked.

PS...No way i wud call spin a girl in person............unless she looked like one.

Spin-em said...

fortunately.with your gay life style...you dont have to worry about girls......

booo yaaaa


(not that theres anything wrong with that)

Bunkerman said...

Hmmm ... I fondly remember kicking Princeton's butt all over the rugby pitch. They sure were ... pussies. After we crushed them in three games (A, B and C sides), they were whining, "gee, we praticied soooo much, how could this happen? Boo-hoo!!"

They couldn't drink like men either! And their songs were junky - not really rude!

Not real men!;-)

Frosty said...

bears loving the lack of an uptick rule when they were pressing LEH under the fifty handle...only a 20% hit in 24 hours....it cuts both ways.

Bud said...

Beefers called it a week? This is getting boring. But what an exciting week!!!

Frosty said...

the devil may be done Bud...as in GS done gutting beefers...the uptick rule kept them from taking them out.

Bud said...

Yes........GS front runs beefers........lmaooooooooooo

mfl59 said...

i thought GS was a beefer?

Bud said...

Calling it a week.

W pathetic.
Cheney dirtbag.
The trend is your friend.
I luv hillary!
Bye.

PS. Beefers rock!!!!

Bunkerman said...

of course GS guts beefers. And GS is part beefer. Beefers can be carnivore and devour their own, like cannibals. Piranhas. Barracudas. Sharks.

Bunkerman said...

early T time at the Club, Bud? lolol

Bud said...

They are mfl. But according to Bmans twisted logic.....they front run their beefer clients. Beefers eating beefers. Sort of like cannibals. Or elephants. Or pirhanas. Or some animal. Ask the Bman.

lmaoooooooooo

Bud said...

Lmaoooooooooo.....my post just like Bmans. I know exactly how he thinks. makes me sick.


PS.... yup ....golf....sport of the common man.

Frosty said...

EBAY....very tempted to press my bet if it moves over yesterdays high.

Bunkerman said...

hmmm until today a name for this Rich Man's Panic of 2007 might have been Fed FUBAR. But that's won't work anymore.

Maybe just Rich Man's Panic of 2007.

Bunkerman said...

I'm glad some knowledge is seeping into our thick head, Bud. ;-))

Repetition is the Mother of Learning - it must work ... slowly.

Frosty said...

Bunkerman...you should charging Bud for the education...you are a very patient teacher....angry young men, as they begin the transformation form liberal to conservative are tough nuts to crack...stay the course.

Spin-em said...

Bunk..How bout...

Goldilocks gets banged by the 3 Bears on her spec latifundium

Bunkerman said...

lololol spin

Ecce Ursa!

mfl59 said...

lmaoooo frosty....

Spin-em said...

Thanks Bunkerman and gang..great weekend to you all

Frosty said...

Bunkerman...good job this week...shaken' or stirred?

maverick said...

I thought Bud over the learning hump Frosty. Vick still young but Bud has no excuse. Cocktail hour enjoy all!!!!!