Wednesday, August 1, 2007

Rich Man's Panic

More hedge funds get liquidated: two Australian funds investing in ... leveraged debt securities. Why do they do that? Another Bear, Stearns fund has redemptions stopped. Babblevision says many other hedge funds are stopping redemptions. Hedge funds are becoming roach motels ;-)

Wall Street margin departments are writing down all those CDO/CLO/CBO investments and the funds are getting liquidated if they had margin debt. If not, they're getting redemptions and still have forced selling. Wall Street is eating its own children, having created these funds and all those structured securities. Much of this equity selling is likely hedge funds selling whatever they can to fund redemptions. Or selling in the fear of future redemptions. Or selling in just plain fear.

Rich investors are probably pulling money out of all kinds of hedge funds in fear. I never understood why anyone rich takes large risks to make more money. Why not just index and accept your 10% average return with no worries? There's more to life than making more money.

So the rich who thought they were being so smart investing huge amounts in hedge funds now find themselves trapped. Perhaps the infatuation of the rich with making more money investing in hedge funds might finally start winding down. Perhaps hedge funds will no longer draw crowds at business schools. Perhaps the hedge funds will no longer be cocktail party banter in Palm Beach, Park Avenue, and Greenwich.

In 1902-4 a mild economic downturn occurred. In July in 1903, a panic occurred on Wall Street followed by a second panic in late September to mid-October, but led to no general economic effects, hence was named the "Rich Man's Panic". No banking panic occurred.

So in 2006-2007 the US economy moved from rapid growth to moderate growth while housing moved from a boom to a bust. Huge sums in hedge funds were invested in garbage loans. So they are now being wiped out. And the rich are panicking and trying to get their money out of hedge funds. This is a 2007 version of the Rich Man's Panic.

Other Notes:

A: Hmmm. Harvard lost $350 million through an investment in Sowood, a hedge fund managed by an ex-endowment fund manager. I guess he was one of the genius's who left in the manager pay controversy. Nice job, Harvard. Grrrrrr.

B: Hedge funds are mostly a game of "heads I win, tails you lose" - these managers were a big slice of the profits when they happen to be right, and the investors lose bigtime when they are wrong.

C: A long side futures play is tempting here, but re-reading my post, why should I take the risk? I have plenty invested long term in good quality stocks.

D: Commodities are holding up rather well. Interesting.

E: These unpredictable moves are why you MUST use time diversification. Buy a partial position (1/4 to 1/2) and add when either time or price has moved. I will wait to add the rest of my big play in big cap financials. Time-wise I'll wait until at least October. Price-wise adds need an improved chart or a big drop.

F: I expect a secular decline in hedge funds will hurt the big brokers with heavy "prime brokerage" exposure. And I expect all these problems with mortgage brokers and small mortgage banks will drive business to the big banks in the long term.

34 comments:

mfl59 said...

Maybe now I won't have to listen to how great all hedge funds are...how they make so much money for themselves and their investors...complete nonsense....many managers have no understanding of risk whatsoever....don't get me wrong, there are some unbelieveable hedge fund managers out there that produce outstanding returns...but like anything else, there are many that are below average and useless to investors...the market is starting to sort that out now...

Bunkerman said...

agree mfl. There are diamonds and there is ... coal.

The great ones are great, no doubt. The rest - 95%? are just mediocre and not worth the fees.

It became a way for a broker or mutual fund guy to make more money, not do more for investors.

Bunkerman said...

Looking a the 5 minute charts from yesterday, I see the selling hit hard around 1PM. Probably broker desks front-runnning the margin calls of their hedgie clients.

Bud said...

Lmaooo....'rich man's panic' . Millions of poor americans can't pay their mortgages. Wonder if they are panicking. That is causing a chain reaction through the financial sector. I saw with great amusement yesterday where secretary paulsen said that the subprime crisis was an 'isolated event'. Lololol

Bud said...

Heads i win, tails u lose? Ridiculous! You don't perform...you're out of a job. Not sure how that is 'winning'.

Bud said...

Wow mfl you must have selective hearing. You only heard how 'great' all hedge funds are. So you never heard of hf's underperforming and shuttin down til just a few days ago? Huh?

Bud said...

You are too funny today B'man. It's the rich guy's fault!!!! Lmaooooooooooooo

mfl59 said...

certain chat rooms glorify all hedge funds as the best of the best....im saying its nonsense....yes you dont perform you do lose your job...only you walk away with 50 million as your assets under management fee....not many other gigs where that happens...many funds are asset gathers, not investors...people starting to wake up to that fact now...

Bud said...

Subprime death spirals in progress DSL FED ABK PMI MTG RDN BKUNA CFC NFI FMT RWT I can go on and on

Bunkerman said...

I remember that July and August 2006 were wild, too.

Bud said...

Don Rumsfeld claiming today neither he nor the white house were aware of the lying in covering up Pat Tillman's death. Of course they were. The war in Iraq was gettin unpopular and W, cheney and rummy were tryin to 'drum up' stories about heroism among the troops. They are such a disgrace....lying to the family of Tillman about his death.
Don Rumsfeld is a disgusting lowlife punk. When he arrogantly answered a soldier's question in Iraq about body armor with " you go to war with the army you have , not the army you want " - I was so infuriated. How dare he talk to our soldiers like that. The secretary of defense's job is to do everything to help our troops.....not dismiss their questions with snide remarks. Rummy is a piece of shit.

Bud said...

Rumsfeld makes Bob mcnamara look like George marshall.

Frosty said...

uh Bud...just make it up as you go...you know nothing...twist it tabloid style, oh man...get a life..you disgust me.

Frosty said...

UNG has put in a bottom for the year...Bunkerman, do you plan to add on the way up?

maverick said...

Cheaters and liars are being punished

Cheater = BZH

Liar = CFC

Bunkerman said...

I don't know re nat gas, frosty. I have some distractions for the next few days so am not thinking about doing it yet.

Bunkerman said...

wowza, I just looked a the BZH weekly chart.

Bud said...

Frosty a Rummy fan? No surprise there. He also a fan of David Duke.

Bud said...

I been hangin out in a 'darkside' chatroom. They think CFC goin to single digits. Possible bankruptcy candidate. You right - Mozillo is a liar.

Bud said...

DSL FED.......roflmaooooooo

Bunkerman said...

These wild rumors and screaming is starting to smell like a bottom. Doing nothing yet.

Bud said...

True on the wild rumors............makin it sound like every hedge fund is goin out of business. The vast majority are in sound finacial shape and are outperforming the S and P for the year.

maverick said...

mern is a living legend

Frosty said...

HPQ...for me today...80% odds of an up day...may add more at the bell...would luv to catch a little panic rinse.

Bud said...

WHR gonna fill that gap to 90?

Bud said...

Is LEH a death spiral?

Bud said...

I have no idea where the S and P closes end of year. B'man may turn out to be right...1700. But this is what i do know...there is ZERO chance of 1700 without the brokers at 52 week highs.
MER hovering above 52 wk low.

Bud said...

WASHINGTON - Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld spoke of “heartbreak” over Army Ranger Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan and defended himself Wednesday for the military's bungled response to the ensuing investigation.

“The handling of the circumstances surrounding Corporal Tillman’s death could only have added to the pain of losing a loved one,” Rumsfeld told a House committee in his first public appearance on Capitol Hill since President Bush replaced him with Robert Gates late last year.

He took no personal responsibility and reiterated previous testimony to investigators that he didn't have early knowledge that Tillman was cut down by fellow Rangers, not by enemy militia, as was initially claimed.


Is Rumsfeld related to Angelo Mozillo? What a dirtbag.

Frosty said...

Bunkerman...distractions, no idea nat gas...bunker under attack? bet mrs b is in the game, my guess she at least took down a chuck of MCD today...even even if is for a quick flip.

mfl59 said...

I have to agree with you there Bud...Rumsfeld handled the Tillman situation like a complete dirtbag...

mfl59 said...

hard to believe mern is missing all of this carnage...

bunkerman are you adding to your gold positions here?

Bunkerman said...

mfl, I bought some more gold a few days ago at lower prices. I think I posted it. Waiting for now.

Bunkerman said...

yes, on July 27 I got some more gold in the futures market. I posted a comment to that effect.

Frosty said...

margin monster chops on the tape...taking a good swing at HPQ.