Financial Times today has a fine article on the fantasy world of credit default swaps. Obviously that is a “market” that should not exist, or if it does, should require 100% cash collateral for any writers of such “insurance”. See “Fantasy and Credit Insurance” under the “Markets” section in FT online - http://www.ft.com/home/us
There are two fundamental problems with such “insurance”, viz. (I) that there are really no natural writers and (II) any premium really involves two risks, the insured credit and the writer’s credit risk. These derivatives need to be regulated by the insurance regulators and real collateral put behind them, or they should be banned.
For now, persons looking at that “market” for “market” pricing are looking through grossly distorted lenses.
Another article in FT shows how derivatives are completely out of contact with markets. “The turmoil in financial markets has taken hold of the strategically important trade in long-term interest rate derivatives, pushing rates to levels once thought to be a “mathematical impossibility”.” … “On Thursday, the 30-year swap spread turned negative after briefly flirting with such levels earlier in the month. This implies investors are somehow reckoning that they are more likely to be paid back by a private counterparty than by the government, which can print money.”
“Negative swap spreads have been considered by many to be a mathematical impossibility, just like negative probabilities or negative interest rates,” said Fidelio Tata, head of interest rate derivatives strategy at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets.
So insurers and “investors who once bought bonds based on spread over Treasuries – i. e. a true, real risk premium - over time became dependent on “swap spread” for pricing. Of course, that was stupid since a swap is between two private parties and involves the credit risk of each. What a fantasy world created by people who probably never experienced a bankruptcy, or a panic or even read a book about the history of money & credit.
Some of these derivatives reminds me of the archaic “bills of exchange” that were the source of credit in early market economies of the industrial age. Those involved several endorsements, re-endorsements and counterparties, so were rather complex. A collapse of a major merchant or commercial lender would break the chains of endoresements and could create a cascade of trouble as many, many bills of exchange suddenly could have problems and trade at great discounts. Sound familiar ? Eventually were mostly replaced by modern commercial codes with standardized lending terms. “Wall Street” and the banking industry recreated such beasts with their inherent multiparty risks in the over-the-counter derivatives market … and proceeded to ignore those extra entanglements. This gets more & more like “Lord of the Flies” every week, as we see how the “Whiz Kids” created a cesspool as they had no adult supervision or understanding of history or reality.
This will eventually work its way out as people return to the old ways … old being 20-25 years ago. So far at least, despite the turmoil & shock, huge losses from derivatives settlements has not occurred. Most of the colossal notional amounts seem to be offset.
This mess can also be laid at the feet of Elmer, aka Alan Greenspan, as his “pro-derivative” testimony helped derail regulatory efforts in the late 1990s or early 2000s – I forget the exact dates but remember the event. Of course he also helped derail regulation of hedge funds. Like his predecessor, Paul Volker – the economic neutron bomber of the 1980s – both are true cluster FUBARs if one ever existed.
Markets
Today looks like an Asian selloff led by a Sony warning that has caused more Euro-beefer and US beefer liquidations. European markets and futures are down a lot, but I am getting acclimatized to these giant swings daily and intra-day. Fear continues to rule. And I presume the public continues to sell at the bottom. Over time, the baby boomers are really going to be hurt by these “Buy High, Sell Low", greed & fear tactics.
I continue to buy some of my favorite stocks on large dips. I still have quite a bit of buying power and safety net in my Alpha Fund.
I see the UK GDP fell in Q3. Can anyone explain why the Bank of England base rate is so high ? Ditto for the ECB ?
Word of the Day
“Comptoir” - noun [$1000] from French
Comptoir means a commercial agency or factory (in foreign country).
Sentence: When one reads histories of trade and credit in Europe in the early industrial age, the comptoirs of major trading nations such as the French or Dutch appear in places like Gdansk as they were active in the Baltic grain trade.
Friday, October 24, 2008
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fine explanation Bman......i learned alot
makes me wonder how anyone could think these swaps were a 'good idea'......especially since most of them were harvard and mit grads
nouriel roubini in an interview with bloomberg said yday that he expected the world stock markets to be closed upto a week as governments try to cope with the credit crunch
ugh........i hope it doesn't get to that.....but who knows
these are unprecedented times
hmmmmmm.......zeta didn't respond to my email
i got dissed
oh well.......i just wanted to know if MAC KIM SLG DRE are all still headed to single digits
PS.......DDR press release last nite was hilarious
gas below $2???
"I think so"
like rats to the cheese
somewhere..the next giganticus douche car is on the drawing board
Pikens Plan.....out the window...pffttt
bad loss by the phillies last nite.......they had chances and did not get the hits
pitching matchups swing to the rays next 2 games.......tampa in control of the series now
die rays die !!!!!!!!!
he prolly doesnt want you cloggin his fn email....he's another very important fella ya know.....
I see we are back to the old "Comments" section .. Good. Google (the blog sponsor) is doing this, not me
I thought swaps were strange from the beginning long ago - around 1981 when I first worked on the "Street".
The first were fixed-floating interest rate swaps - those did help banks manage interest risks on loans a bit.
But I think in the 1990s they exploded into other areas.
i hate to use this quote at a time like this....but in honor of mern...
"is this a recession?"
lol
yes, the recession finally has some "recessing"
;-)
But the "flation" of the "stagflation" never got going.
Gosh, was a bit of inflation so bad ???
I never understood the inflation-mongers theory of pain for gain. Looks like the "gain" was more pain.
looks like living in a bunker not such a bad idea after all Bunkerman....
among the many things I don't get about finanical tv...they keep bringing in the same guests...guys who have been 100% wrong for a full year...and keep asking their opinion....
where the heck is David Tice?
Bman are you hiring ??
i could be your chauffeur.......or butler......i like to work outside......are you lookin for a gardener ??
i work for food and a roof ........are the servant's quarters in a bunker too???
loooooool
hmmm I am going to a museum at 10 for a few hours ... I remembver in the 1987 crash I was at a meeting at the Japna Society in NYC all day.
Coincidence ?
have fun ...
get that ping-pong paddle ready
off to see some Assyrian art; back early PM.
enjoy Bman
i'm a working man.......i have to work.......but i'd love few games of ping-pong today
Assyrian art...interesting...make sure to say hello to all the fellow common men at the exhibit...
odds on green dow close ???
north carolina -2.......i'll take butch davis at home
miami -3.......i love the 'canes qb.....he is gonna be a stud
LSU -1..........dawgs o-line is injured .....reliable source
tennessee + 5.5........phil fulmer begins his annual 'save his job' run
ohio state -2.5.......nittany lions are so overrated......who have they played???
betting against Jopa??....coachin hurt on 1 leg?? Hes 81 ya know....lol
a case of rocks says Bud can't do better than 2-3 on those picks....
i really hate jopa..........the media makes it sound like he's the greatest coach of all time
geez man.....give it up......your not a king.....you don't own the university.......selfish pig
die jopa die !!!!
oh wait......that not right to say about an 81yr old man
looks like frostys boy Gmac didnt play last night...thats right coach sloan..rest up the talent for when it counts....
'priest, rabbi and paki......
i got interested for a second.....and then nuthin......that joke actually had potential
all the other so called 'jokes' were so lame and pathetic
loooooool
see you do have a sense of humor
theres a rumor the "team" doesnt want to bust your stones.....pffttt
back ... a very fine exhibit. It's remarkable how small the cuneiform writing is on some legal tablets - One would need fine eyesight to read it.
Assyrians were very cruel.
well, mfl, IF one was looking for babes, that exhibit was a fine place - entire museum actually.
Existing Home Sales Increase 5.5% in September.
The inventory of unsold homes improved to 9.9 months supply from 10.6 months in August
Bunky...the difference in yield between TIPS and Treasuries has narrowed to its smallest level ever...are you still a buyer sir.
yes, I have another slug to put into TIPs ... watching
Bman does MS interest you at this price ??
heck....some stox are gettin so cheap even i may become a real buyer
yday's close and today's open indicating to me the sellers are thinning out
what say you Bman
how about a game of ping-pong into the close
come on Hank.....get in there and buy some futures.....we just gave you 700B ....use it
I like MS, but have other priorties.
Bud, I am wondering if the US beefer liquidation is running its course ... so sort of agree.
But I'll wait for the close & Monday.
There do seem to be buyers abound this rough level, whether "real" is a question.
my chart guy sayin Hank will close the S and p at 906
has Mrs. B deployed any capital today?
Mrs. B has gone to a dog agility tournament for the weekend.
She might on Monday.
who the heck do you think is keeping this mkt afloat? suddenly the idea of an actual PPT isnt that far fetched....Hank owns 72000 Dec SP's...avg price 859...
those are just today's buys...re Hank
maybe BUd is right ... aggressive sellers thinning, some peopel all cash nibbling.
I sold JPM and put the money into CVX, DVN, RIG & BHP ... more upside.
This will definitely be a martini day.
Why do you like RIG over DO bunkerman?
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
have a fine weekend bunkerboyzzzz!!!!
Bunky...futures limit down this morning and we spend 15 minutes below spiddy 860...we get a better chance to buy...atta girl Mrs B.
cheers Bunker boys, safe weekend.
no particular reason that I remember - I once owned DO, too, awhile ago.
well Hank tried his best
but the f'ng beefers repelled him
they need to be brought under the straitjacket of regulation......also bring back the uptick rule....for etf's too
die beefers die !!!!!
bonus pick
kansas pick 'em
monster game in the big12......the best football conference
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