Tuesday, January 8, 2008

Gold and Oil

GOLD

Gold hits $876 this morning on the February futures contract. I remember a year or so ago discussing gold ... when it was in the low $600s. The question from a friend was regarding the psychologically difficult decision whether to hop onto the move since the lows under $600 had been missed. My reply was that those $25 missed look really small compared to the gains when gold hits $1000. Missing a low or buying too early are psychologically difficult barriers to overcome when trying to buy for the big, long term move. The barriers are magnified as they seem to be big percentages of the original amount. This is why I think about what the prices will be in one or two years. I buy a long term position on that basis - not the much smaller bounces and dips that occur as the beefers move around the stock or commodity.

So what now on gold ? I "plan" to hold it all until "about" $1000, then will sell a 'bit" - maybe 20% of my large position - on principle. That's been a long term target and not taking some sugar there would anger the trading gods, implying hubris and cupidity, which are punishable sins. After that, I will continue to hold unless something changes and review the matter.

OIL

At $100 per barrel, I believe that slow conservation is taking hold and reducing future total demand in the US and in many other markets, particularly the emerging markets where industrial and process decisions can be made to permanently reduce future demand. This will help keep oil from rising to levels well over $100 barring a supply disruption. And this conservation will give room for new needs and demand from emerging markets due to growth. So supply and demand seem balanced to me around this level. New production will go to replace declining old fields. A wide trading range from $90 to $110 seems likely to me.

So what to do about the oil stocks ? Those were big gainers in 2007. I've graded my oil positions 3, 2, or 1, which are rough $ value proportions of the holdings that I want to keep: DVN, CVX, COP, XOM, HES, MRO, SU. As my LT gains dates are hit, I'll cut back the stocks that I now grade as 2 or 1 to the appropriate level. I already took some sugar on some per my post of last Friday in the early AM - fortunate timing :-)

3's: DVN and CVX. these two companies have big deep water fields in the Gulf of Mexico and stand to gets big new reserves as those fields are developed. No selling here.

2's: XOM, SU, COP. XOM is well managed but has a higher PE; COP is poorly managed but has a lower PE and a lot of natural gas; SU is a very long term play on the oil sands in Alberta.

1's: MRO, HES. These are smaller integrateds that I've held as possible takeovers. HES seems fully valued now, but my LT date is in March.

Most of these, except HES, are still undervalued. As the confidence in keeping $100 oil increases, I think they will continue to increase in value. Also, at some point, - maybe this spring, refining margins will increase again which will help them all.

I grade VLO a 2 as it is very cheap and is integrating forward slowly into retail sales under its own brand. BTU is a 2, also. I will keep all of my RIG and DO as multi-year deep water drilling plays. At some point I'll probably sell NOV and NE, but can't now. In all cases, I sell on the periodic rips caused by beefer rotation.

18 comments:

mern said...

what about CHK? aubrey keep buying

Bunkerman said...

keeping all CHK until we get a nat gas rip up, then will sell some.

mfl59 said...

isnt CHK the most hedged of all nat gas players?

Bunkerman said...

I know they sold a lot of 2007 gas in 2006 at high prices. They also sold some gas ij a recent trans action.

This is really a LT position for me.

Btw, COP and DVN have lots of gas, too. COP is really 1/2 gas.

Bunkerman said...

Going to take the Kelpies to sheep herding lessons.

mern said...

going through some charts. boy did i miss some action on the darkside.

SPY looks real dicey

Bud said...

'if the Fed cuts aggressively.....no recession'


lmaooooooooooooooooo

Frosty said...

Bunkerman...sad news, took some CFC 6.50 when it reopened...what a shame, I was hoping against hope that it was going bk as rumored...it is the only thing perhaps that brings the ppt to the table with something meaningful...now the shorts cover a little and we then start the grind lower once again...there are no buyers and the shorts affraid to press...mean bear indeed, the grinder the most painful...common man has no chance.

mern said...

In a prepared statement, the company said there was "no substance to the rumor that Countrywide is planning to file for bankruptcy, and we are not aware of any basis for the rumor that any of the major rating agencies are contemplating negative action relative to the company."

lol, what does that mean? 4 to 8 weeks before they go BK. UNREAL

Bud said...

why are you guys buyin CFC ? it's crap....goin to zero


PS......sheep-herding......lmaoooooooo

frosty loves sheep.......i mean he reeeaaaaeally loves sheep

Frosty said...

uh Bud, it's a trade...go stick a fork in the hildog, she's done, cooked, yesterday's news.

Bud said...

i'm sure frosty is really enjoyin hillary's demise

that's ok........barack gonna make the GOP-nominee his bitch in november

who is the nominee? bible thumper jesus freak huckabee?
mccain looks like he's 94 years old? mitt 'i have 6 wives' romney? rudy scumbag - his whole capaign based on the graves of 3000 americans , fred 'kkk' thompson

die GOP die!!!!!!!

mfl59 said...

rudy scumbag....lmaooooooooo

figures you like Obama Bud as he is related to your hero, Richard Cheney

Frosty said...

we have no need to bring our A team to light at this point...just let your team cut it's own throat...classic stuff, as your front runner's will be picked off one at a time...better get gore ready in the bull pen, LAMOOOOOOO.

Frosty said...

this market is playing out prefect for all those liberals that talk big now and then will walk in the booth in nov. and vote their wallets...voting for the god of dollars and markets, screw the common man...it just can't set ip any better....better luck in 2012.

Bunkerman said...

Got back. The kelpies were great on the sheep.

The beefers and recession mongers are putting out rumors and piling it on. So let's see if the reality meets the rumor. Earnings are starting soon.

Bunkerman said...

Doing nothing here. Bot some DSX and GNK yesterday, just a smidge to watch.

With no uptick rule, the bears can start shorting a ztock, then put out a rumor and really pound it, then cover.

Looking like the 1920s now. The big firms are pliing on, too, with the negative "may" stories. I guess they like the commissions while they can get them.

Sheesh when they turn to hit T one has to wonder.

mern said...

perception can become reality, that why we like charts, no? broke all sorts of support today. even though the $ is getting hammered, better than being long.

im a permabear who is shocked CFC is probably a ground 0 cocktail.

hard to believe obama is gaining so much traction, especially given his muslim family.

rudy g starting to hit the airwaves down here pretty hard. he thinx the world is ending, cant argue there.